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#327585 - 2004-02-10 21:53:52 關於中國大陸的翻譯行情
天鏡 離線
終日乾乾
註冊: 2003-03-12
文章數: 101
在台灣,有占星學者將原文書送往大陸翻譯



而成為一種特殊的研究占星的途徑



因此對於中國的原文書翻譯的價格以及翻譯途徑十分的有興趣





前幾天聽到一位台商朋友說到



中國的國立大學畢業生



在企業中工作



月薪是人民幣八百到一千兩百塊之間



請一位大學外文系的學生



作專職的翻譯



每個月的月薪應該也是如此上下



因此想到,如果請中國的大學生或研究生作翻譯



翻譯一本英文書的行情不知是多少呢



有沒有中國的占星同好願意幫我們問問,打聽打聽的?







換個方式來估價



察看各個中國翻譯社的網站



綜合比較的結果



英翻中 翻成的中文字一千字人民幣八十到一百元左右



然後一天的工作量是四千字左右



因此可以想見



在中國沒有週休的情況下



每個月單人的翻譯中文字數



約在十萬字中文左右



十萬字如果逐字計價 是一萬元人民幣左右



如果以月薪聘請專人來翻譯 則是八百至一千二月薪之譜



這兩種方式差異甚大



我相信台灣的占星原文書如果要送往大陸翻譯



應是以聘請專人



以月薪的方式來從事翻譯工作的



如果一個人的月翻譯字數是十萬字



那一個五人小組的月翻譯字數是五十萬中文字



實在相當的驚人



許多占星學的經典



如此能以此方式中文化



相信也是盛事了



雖說培養英文閱讀能力是根本之道



許多純粹因為語言隔閡而無法閱讀原典



或是沒有時間閱讀原典的同好們



集資成立翻譯協會



請對岸來翻譯



其實不失為一種學術研究的途徑





編輯者: 天鏡 (2004-02-10 22:36:32)
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#327586 - 2004-02-11 02:25:15 Re: 關於中國大陸的翻譯行情
tytang 離線
亢龍有悔
註冊: 2002-10-17
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問題是原文含義是否能翻譯清楚。
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#327587 - 2004-02-11 02:49:10 Re: 關於中國大陸的翻譯行情
~白雪無缺~ 離線
一路發發發
註冊: 2004-02-02
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據小子經驗之所得,香港大學生翻譯的較內地的為佳
因為香港提供環境給大學生運用英語,以致大學生在翻譯方面,較內地的有sense
但薪金比內地的高出好幾倍
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#327588 - 2004-02-11 03:42:11 Re: 關於中國大陸的翻譯行情
紫微破軍 離線
亢龍有悔
註冊: 2001-12-16
文章數: 911
大學初畢業,沒有經驗,工作比較難找
薪水是很低
但有翻譯整本書且翻譯得清晰准確能力的畢業生
那是屬於有實際經驗的
在企業裏的薪水多在4000-5000人民幣間
如果有現場口譯能力
薪水可能更高

您的方案不太可行

只能請一些年紀較大
有閒或無業的人員來翻譯
速度會慢些,但薪酬也許會低些

但您出的那個價錢恐怕很難找到合適的人

我繼父非常樂意接受這樣的委託
他倒是無事可做,在家除了看英文書
就是寫英文的稿子
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#327589 - 2004-02-11 07:53:48 Re: 關於中國大陸的翻譯行情
~白雪無缺~ 離線
一路發發發
註冊: 2004-02-02
文章數: 22042
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在企業裏的薪水多在4000-5000人民幣間




4000-5000人民幣間實在太高了
現在內地那麼多下崗的,即使你出到1200人民幣,許多人爭著做,所以不需要出得那麼高
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#327590 - 2004-02-11 09:05:47 Re: 關於中國大陸的翻譯行情
viv 離線
或躍在淵
註冊: 2003-01-19
文章數: 213
如果翻译本身就是占星爱好者呢?呵呵……情况就不一样了吧,俗话说,隔行如隔山,没接触过占星的人,怎么可能翻译得好??很多概念性的东西就不明白,因此就翻译不出原文的含义。我觉得一个翻译先就是要把原文吃透,然后用本国的语言表达出来,使读者尽量享受到原汁原味,就是很成功了,但是这样真的很难做到。
因此要翻译占星书籍,首先就得懂占星起码的基础知识,这样才能翻出好东东……:)
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#327591 - 2004-02-11 09:22:12 Re: 關於中國大陸的翻譯行情
彼岸花 離線
一元復始
註冊: 2003-07-30
文章數: 1102
來自: 糖果屋*南瓜車
剛畢業毫無經驗的在落後山區的大學生才會願意做800-1200的工作 但如果是有能力的 就不會留在落後山區了

即便是像我這樣 失業一個多月了 再怎樣降低要求 低於的2500的也就無謂屈就了
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#327592 - 2004-02-11 09:32:42 Re: 關於中國大陸的翻譯行情
viv 離線
或躍在淵
註冊: 2003-01-19
文章數: 213
所言极是,呵呵,你是个懂行人:)
在一般的翻译公司都是4000RMB以上,
除非是初级译员也在2500RMB左右
至于口译是按小时算的,不是按月哦
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#327593 - 2004-02-11 09:42:56 Re: 關於中國大陸的翻譯行情
viv 離線
或躍在淵
註冊: 2003-01-19
文章數: 213
质量至上,如果某个翻译要价很低,那就只能说明他水平还不够哦~~~~
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#327594 - 2004-02-11 09:47:50 很樂鬧的個人網站
潘文欽 離線
星象學家
四季平安
註冊: 1999-12-21
文章數: 4215
來自: 基隆
剛剛去參觀你的網站
很樂鬧
也很溫馨
很難得遇見愛家人的女孩
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#327595 - 2004-02-11 09:53:56 Re: 關於中國大陸的翻譯行情
mytiger 離線
見龍在田
註冊: 2004-01-24
文章數: 57
不会啦,我刚刚读研究生,看我的大学同学们,800到1200元通常是大学毕业生到国有企业工作的试用期的基本工资,不包括奖金和分红,而经过试用期后工资便远不是如此了。
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#327596 - 2004-02-11 10:00:00 Re: 很樂鬧的個人網站
彼岸花 離線
一元復始
註冊: 2003-07-30
文章數: 1102
來自: 糖果屋*南瓜車
回應:

剛剛去參觀你的網站
很樂鬧
也很溫馨
很難得遇見愛家人的女孩



謝謝您的誇獎啊
以後還請潘老師多多關注“愛家人的女孩 ”的帖子 多給些寶貴意見啊
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#327597 - 2004-02-11 10:38:16 Re: 關於中國大陸的翻譯行情
紫微破軍 離線
亢龍有悔
註冊: 2001-12-16
文章數: 911
大陸現在私營企業多
沒有能力的人很難找到高薪的工作

下崗的多是國營企業的
國營企業給不了高薪水
相應的工作人員的能力、學曆都要差很多

如果國營企業的工作尚且勝任不來
會得下崗
那麽有800-1200的薪水當然要搶著做了

現在純勞力、不需太多技術的家政工作都要競爭著做
而且薪水也極低的
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#327598 - 2004-02-12 03:36:03 Re: 關於中國大陸的翻譯行情
我走ㄌ 離線
終日乾乾
註冊: 2003-11-19
文章數: 180
來自: 台北
幾年前唸新聞系,上課所用專書,全是教授送至對岸請人翻譯的
師言,對岸翻譯人才水準佳,態度又認真,稿子整理得乾乾淨淨,當然最大考量是稿酬低!!!!
稍稍美中不足是,彼岸遣辭用語,往往與咱有所不同,返台甚至需要費心修改
吾師曾把一部本出自大陸譯者的大眾傳播學[Mcquail著]重頭又改寫ㄌ一遍哩
因為接連幾屆學生都說看不懂咩@@~~~~~~~~~~~
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#327599 - 2004-02-16 15:26:00 Re: 關於中國大陸的翻譯行情
天鏡 離線
終日乾乾
註冊: 2003-03-12
文章數: 101


的確是如此

中國的翻譯水準

向來為台灣學界所肯定的

我所在的學術領域也是如此

原因之一或許是

中國許多大學把翻譯原著當成教授考評升等的標準之一

因此也促進了學術翻譯的進步與發展

而在台灣學界卻沒有這種獎勵翻譯的制度

因此中國的翻譯水準

在台灣的學界的確是受到敬重的

至於月薪的部分

是隨著各大都市,以及各種的企業類型,如國營,台資,外資公司有極大的不同的


其實還有一個翻譯的途徑

就是出版社想要出版原文書

然後請人專案翻譯的這條途徑

這條途徑的價格是與翻譯社的價格以及企業雇用外文翻譯有極大的差別的

有興趣的同好也可以試著了解看看

另外,兩岸的學術交流頻繁

如果與對岸的教授與學生有所熟識

透過對岸老師的口碑,其實也可以找到不少好的學生翻譯好手

特別是天文系的學生


當然,當發覺請人翻譯一本原文書是如此昂貴的時候

或許會覺得其實自己花時間來研讀

其實是相當值得的:)
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#327600 - 2004-02-16 21:47:58 Re: 關於中國大陸的翻譯行情
龍的傳人 離線
潛龍勿用
註冊: 2000-12-17
文章數: 5
其實最好組織網上讀書會,大家交換心得,或看書後做成筆記交換,又可以以messenger交談,持之以恆,一定獲益良多。
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#327601 - 2004-02-17 04:24:41 Re: 關於中國大陸的翻譯行情
我走ㄌ 離線
終日乾乾
註冊: 2003-11-19
文章數: 180
來自: 台北
讀書會構想甚佳
同好組成一個team,分派章節,各人負責,翻譯成稿,最後組合成書[還可以上市^^]
書多如瀚海,一己之力整理不完,團隊協力,效果甚大
學術界常藉此法合作學問,占星界有何不可?
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#327602 - 2004-02-17 06:17:01 咦....這構想不錯優...
潘文欽 離線
星象學家
四季平安
註冊: 1999-12-21
文章數: 4215
來自: 基隆
呵呵開放總比閉門造車來的好

呵呵
贊成......
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#327603 - 2004-02-17 07:44:04 Re: 咦....這構想不錯優...
tytang 離線
亢龍有悔
註冊: 2002-10-17
文章數: 651
來自: 馬來西亞﹐吉隆坡

有人會翻譯這種英文嗎? 這只是Christian Astrology裡的冰山一角。作者是William Lily,大家應該知道是誰罷﹐我相信大陸是有人才﹐但是翻譯的程度還是有所保留。

An Introduction to Astrologie.

CHAP. VII.

Of the twelve Houses, their Nature and Signification.

As before we have said there are twelve signs, and also twelve Houses of Heaven, so now we are come to relate the nature of these twelve Houses; the exact knowledge whereof is so requisite, that he who shall learn the nature of the Planets and Signs without exact judgment of the Houses, is like an impovident man, that furnisheth with variety of householdstuffe, having no place wherein to bestow them.

There is nothing appertaining to the life of man in this world, which in one way or other hath not relation to one of the twelve Houses of Heaven, and as the twelve signs are appropriate to the particular members of mans body; so also doe the twelve houses represent not onely the severall parts of man, but his actions, quality of life and living, and the curiosity and judgment of our Fore-fathers in Astrology, was such, as they have alotted to every house a particular signification, and so distinguished humane accidents throughout the twelve houses, as he that understands the Questions appertaining to each of them, shall not want sufficient grounds whereon to judge or give a rationall answer upon any contingent accident, and successe thereof.




Of the first House and its Signification.

The first house, which containeth all that part of Heaven from the line where the figure one standeth, until the figure two, where the second house beginneth.

It hath signification of the life of man, of the stature, colour, complexion, form and shape of him that propounds the Question, or is born; in Eclipses and great Conjunctions, and upon the Sun his annuall ingresse into Aries; it signifieth the common people, or generall State of that Kingdom where the Figure is erected.

And as it is the first house, it represents the head and face of man, so that if either Saturn, Mars or South Node be in this House, either at the time of the Question, or at the time of birth, you shall observe some blemish in the face, or in that member appropriate to the signe that then is upon the cusp of the house; as if Aries be in the Ascendant, the mark, mole, or scarre is without faile in the head or face; and if few degrees of the signe ascend, the mark is in the upper part of the head; if the middle of the sign be on the cusp, the mole, mark or scar is in the middle of the face, or neer it; if the later degrees ascend, the face is blemished neer the chin, towards the neck: This I have found true in hundreds of examples.

Of colors, it hath the White; that is, if a Planets be in this house that hath signification of white, the complexion of the Party is more pale, white and wan; or if you enquire after the colour of the cloathe of any man, if his significator be in the first house, and in a sign corresponding, the parties apparell is white or gray, or somewhat neer that colour, so also if the Question be for cattle, when their significators are found in this house, it denotes them to be of that colour or neer it: The house is Masculine.

The Cosignificators of this house are Aries and Saturn; for as this house is the first house, so is Aries the first signe, and Saturn the first of the Planets, and therefore when Saturn is but moderately well fortified, in this house, and in any benevolent aspect of Jupiter, Venus, Sun or Moon, it promiseth a good sober constitution of body, and usually long life: Mercury doth also joy in this house, because it represents the Head, and he the Tongue, Fancy and Memory: when he is well dignified and posited in this house, he produceth good Orators: it is called the Ascendant, because when the Sun commeth to the cusp of this house, he ascends, or then ariseth, and is visible in our Horizon.



Questions concerning the Second House.


From this house is required judgment concerning the estate or fortune of him that asks the question, or his Wealth or Poverty, of all removeable Goods, Money lent, of Profit or game, losse or damage; in suits of Law, it signifies a mans Friends or Assistants; in private Duels, the Querents second; in an Eclipse or Great Conjunction, the poverty or Wealth of the people; the Sun his entrance into Aries, it represents the Ammunition, Allies and Support the Common-wealth shall have; it imports their Magazines.

It represents in man the neck, and hinder parts of it towards the shoulders, of colours, the green.

So that if one make demand concerning any thing specified above in this house, you must look for signification from hence: It’s a feminine house and Succedant, called in some Latin Authors Anaphora.

It hath Cosignificators Jupiter and Taurus; for is Jupiter be placed in this house, or be Lord hereof, it’s an argument of an estate or fortune; Sun and Mars are never well placed in this house, either of them shew dispersion of substance, according to the capacity and quality of him that is either born or asks the questions.



The Third House.

Hath signification of Brethren, Sisters, Cozens and Kindred, Neighbours, small Journeys, or inland-Journeys, oft removing from one place to another, Epistles, Letters, Rumours, Messengers: It doth rule the Shoulders, Armes, Hands and Fingers.

Of Colours, it governeth the Red and Yellow, or Croceall, or Sorrell colour: It hath Cosignificators, of the Signe Gemini, of the Planet Mars; which is one reason why Mars in this house, unlesse joyned with Saturn is not very unfortunate, it is a Cadent house, and is the joy of the Moon; for if she be posited therein, especially in a moveable sing, it’s an argument of much travell, trotting and trudging, or of being seldom quiet: The house is Masculine.


The Fourth House.

Giveth Judgment of Fathers in generall & ever of his Father that enquires, or that is born; of Lands, Houses, Tenements, Inheritances, Tillage of the earth, Treasures hidden, the determination or end of any thing; Towns, Cities or Castles, besieged or not besieged; all ancient Dwellings, Gardens, Fields, Pastures, Orchards; the quality and nature of the grounds one purchaseth, whether Vineyards, Cornfielfd, &c. whether the ground be Woody, Stony or barren.

The Sign of the fourth denoteth the Town, the Lord thereof, the Governour: It ruleth the Brest, Lungs.

Of Colours, the Red: It’s Cosignificator is Cancer, and of Planets the Sun; we call it the Angle of the Earth, or Imum Coeli; it is feminine, and the North Angle: In Nativities or Questions, this fourth house represents Fathers, so doth the Sun by day and Saturn by night; yet if the Sun be herein placed, he is not ill, but rather shews the Father to be of a noble disposition, &c.


The Fifth House.

By this house we judge of Children, of Embassadours, of the state of a Woman with child, of Banquets, of Ale-houses, Tavernes, Playes, Messengers or Agents for Republick; of the wealth of the Father, the Ammunition of a Town beseiged; if the Woman with child shall bring forth male or female; of the health or sicknesse of his Son or Daughter that asks the Question.

It ruleth the Stomack, Liver, Heart, Sides and Back, and is masculine.

Of Colours, Black and White, or Honey—colour, and is a Succedant house; It’s Cosignificators are Leo and Venus, who doth joy in this house, in regard it’s the house of Pleasure, Delight and Merriment; it’s wholly unfortunate by Mars or Saturn, and they therein shew disobedient children and untoward.


The Sixth House.

It concerneth Men and Mid-servants, Gallislaves, Hogges, Sheep, Goats, Hares, Connies, all manner of lesser Cattle, and profit and losse got thereby; Sicknesse, it’s quality and cause, principall humour offending, curable or not curable, whether the disease be short or long; Day—labourers, Tenants, Farmers, Shepherds, Hogheards, Neatherds, Warriners; and it signifieth Unkles, or the Fathers Brothers and Sisters.

It ruleth the inferiour part of the Belly, and intestines even to


The Arse: this house is a Feminine and Cadent house, unfortunate, as having no aspect to the Ascendant.

Of Colours, black colour, Mars rejoyceth in this house, but his Cosignificator is of the Signes Virgo, of Planets Mercury; we usually find that Mars and Venus in Conjunction in this house, are arguments of a good Physitian.


The Seventh House.

It giveth judgment of Marriage, and describes the person inquired after, whether it be Man or Woman, all manner of Love questions, our publique enemies; the Defendant in a Law—suit, in Warre the opposing party; all quarrels, Duels, Law—suits; in Astrology the Artist himself; in Physick the Physitian; Theeves and Thefts; the person stealing, whether Man or Woman, Wives, Sweetharts; their shape, description, condition, Nobly or ignobly born: in an Annuall ingresse, whether Warre or Peace may be expected: of Victory, who over-comes, and who worsted; Fugitives or runawayes; Banished and Out—lawed—men.

It hath cosignificator Libra and Moon, Saturn or Mars unfortunate herein, shew ill in Marriage.
Of Colour, a dark Blacke colour.

It ruleth the Haunches, and the Navill to the Buttocks; and is called the Angle of the West: and is Masculine.

The Eighth House.

The Estate of Men deceased, Death, its quality and nature; the Wills, Legacies and Testaments of Men deceased; Dowry of the Wife, Portion of the Maid, whether much or little, easie to be btained or with difficulty. In Duels it represents the Adversaries Second; in Lawsuits the Defendants friends. What kinde of Death a Man shall dye., it signifies fear and anguish of Minde. Who shall enjoy or be heir to the Deceased.

It rules the Privy-Parts. Of colours, the green and Black.

Of Signes it hath Scorpio for Cosignificator, and Saturn, the Hemoroids, the Stone, Strangury, Poysons, and Bladder are ruled by this house; and is a succedant House, and Feminine.


The Ninth House.

By this House we give judgment of Voyages or long journies beyond Seas of Religiousmen, or Clergy of any kinde, whether Bishops or inferiour Ministers; Dreams, Visions, forraign Countries, of Books, Learning, Church Livings, or Benef ices, Advowsions; of the kindred of ones Wife, & sic e contrario.

Of colours it hath the Green and White.

Of mans body it ruleth the Fundament, the Hippes and Thighes, Sagittarius and Jupiter are cosignificators of this House; for if Jupiter be herein placed, it naturally signifies a devout man in his Religion, or one modestly given; I have oft observed when the Dragons tayle, or Mars or Saturn have been infortunately placed in this House; the Querent hath either been little better then a Atheist or a desperate Sectarist: the Sun rejoyceth to be in this House, which is Masculine, and Cadent.




The Tenth House.

Commonly it personateth Kings, Princes, Dukes, Earles, Judges, prime Officers, Commanders in chief, whether in Armies or Towns; all sorts of Magistracy and Officers in Authority, Mothers, Honour, Preferment, Dignity, Office, Lawyers; the profession or Trade any one useth; it signifies Kingdoms, Empires, Dukedoms, Countries.

It hath of colours Red and White, and ruleth the knees and Hammes.

Its called the Medium coeli, or Mid-heaven, and is Feminine. Its cosignificators are Capricorn and Mars; either Jupiter or the Sun doe much Fortunate this House when they are posited therein, Saturn or South Node usually deny Honor, as to persons of quality, or but little esteem in the world to a vulgar person, not much joy in his Profession, Trade or Mystery, is a Mechanick.


The Eleventh House.

It doth naturally represent Friends and Friendship, Hope, Trust, Confidence, the Praise, or Dispraise of any one; the Fidelity or falsenesse of Friends; as to Kings it personates their Favourites, Councellours, Servants, their Associates or Allyes, their Money, Exchequer or Treasure; in Warre their Ammunition and Souldiery; it represents Courtiers, &c. in a Common—wealth governed by a few of the Nobles and Commons, it personates their assistance in Councell: as in London the tenth House represents the Lord Major; the eleventh the Common-councell; the Ascendant the generality of the Commoners of the said City.

Of members it ruleth the Legs to the Ancles. Of colours, it ruleth the Saffron or Yellow.

It hath of the Signs Aquarius, and Sun of the Planets, for cosignificators Jupiter doth especially rejoyce in this House; it’s a succedant House, and masculine, and in vertue is equivalent either to the seventh or fourth Houses.




The Twelfth House.

It hath signification of private Enemies, of Witches, great Cattle, as Horses, Oxen, Elephants, &c. Sorrow, Tribulation, Imprisonments, all manner of affliction, self—undoing, &c. and of such men as maliciously undermine their neighbours, or inform secretly against them.

It hath cosignificators Pisces and Venus; Saturn doth joy in that House, For naturally Saturn is Author of mischief; and it ruleth in Mans body the Feet.

In Colour it presents the Green.

Its a Cadent House, Feminine, and vulgarly sometimes called Cataphora, as all Cadent Houses may be. This is the true Character of the severall Houses, according to the Ptolomeian Doctrine, and the experience my self have had for some yeers: I must confesse the Arabians have made severall other divisions of the Houses, but I could never in my practise finde any verity in them, wherefore I say nothing of them.
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